Grandparents Apart UK

Grandparents Apart UK
"Bringing Families Together"

Saturday, July 4, 2009

'A tree must bend with the wind'

Your opinion is required here.

Dedicated Grandparents are the huge army that is never recognised officially for their tireless love and protection for children which comes automatically to them. Being mostly available 24/7 for caring for children but can and do suffer the indignity of being ignored as irrelevant persons by the social services and the law. This is an army that doesn’t need to be bought with up to £200,00p a week (from a hard pressed public purse) to buy care for each child which appears to be attracting the wrong kind of people. A lot of grandparents do need help but not bought. There is a lot of them caring for their grandchildren that do not need or accept a penny but do it because they can afford it and it is their own flesh and blood. The ‘Charter for Grandchildren’ does not ask for legal rights for grandparents or anything like that. There is too much opposition from the government for that and god only knows why. It asks for the professionals to look more closely at the role grandparents can play in their children’s lives to make them utilize the benefits grandparents can be, like keeping a child in a stable home environment, maintaining a child’s identity, health history, keeping extended family connections rather than strangers which renders a child confused, resentful and withdrawn an effect which carries with them through-out their whole lives.

The Ten Commandments of Family Law. The Forgotten Children. + (Scroll down for) The Charter for Grandchildren + The Way Forward.


Hallo Jimmy,Thankyou for you e-mail, but I am a grandmother, who has been denied accssesss to my grandchildren by my son and the childrens mother,They do not have any isssues with abuse or drugs or any thing of that nature.I do want the goverment to give legal rights of access for it is my grandchildrens rights to know their grandmother, they love me dearly and cannot see me because of their parents. it is now six months since i have seen them and its breaking my heart.Not all families have problems with drugs ectra and feel the grandparents association are ignoring simple acssesss problems which is just as important.too much emphasis is given to "problem families . SO I WANT LEGAL ACCESSS TO MY GRANDCHILDREN.If you are not pushing for this please do not contact me again I will start my own campaign !!!!!!!!!

Jimmy’s answer

There is so much opposition to grandparents getting legal access to their grandchildren that we are alienating ourselselves from parents as well as SS and the law. We have tried for 10years and came up against it all. The project we are trying now is getting grandparents recognised more by making the Charter for Grandchildren mandatory for professionals in children's lives wich is a back door attempt for grandparents and not standing on on anyones toes. This is gathering support from Glasgows local authority city councillors and 3 MSPs have joined in to take it forward. 3/4 of the grandparents we represent do not help themselves. If they all stood up to be counted we would not have a problem So if you can do that better than us good luck. Taking them head on is just not getting support. If you still don't want me to contact you again then i will remove you from our list. Jimmy


Dear Jimmy,

Why should we as grandparents , be alienated by parents for wanting accssess to our own grandchildren. Divorced parents have accsesss rights, why not grandparents. You claim youve been fighting for 10 YEARS for these rights and you have not been recognised ?????? WHY ????? Now you are using the childrens charter to slip in the back door you said> BE UP FRONT AND STATE WHAT SHOULD BE GRANDPARENTS RIGHTS......ACCSESS TO OUR OWN GRANDCHILDREN !!!!!!!You suggested that maybe I could do better , I found that sarcastic, obviously thats why I contacted " The Grandparent Association " but you have given up the cause... WHY???? Can you give me a name of any other body that may help me with this matter ???

"A tree must bend with the wind or it will break”

We have been up front as you put it and achieved the ‘Charter for Grandchildren’. We created that in a stakeholders group with the Scottish Government and toured Scotland in a caravan to promote it. A vote was taken in parliament for grandparents to have legal rights and it was shot down in flames. I started off like you stating "black and White" and one of our founder members said we would need to compromise. I said firmly no! We wanted rights to our own grandchildren. I am not too proud to say i was wrong. It took a while to clear the grey area and now we are compromising. Our MSP and others are backing our cause now, whereas after the charter was created no-one was listening to us. You obviously feel we are not doing it properly with your sarcastic remark of quote ..."If you are not pushing for this please do not contact me again I will start my own campaign !!!!!!!!!" unquote So don't condem others that have the experience until you have exhausted the process yourself. You can help by doing what you think should be done there is room for all. The more the merrier to take up the cause. We do it as we see how it should be done. You can too. What we produce is for use for anyone to further the cause if they want to use it.

So can I welcome you to the fold.


Friday, July 3, 2009

Grandparents Opposition.

Grandparents have much opposition to having any rights to their own grandchildren.

How this problem has arisen?

We have to blame social services here. They are the people who highlight and say “you are irrelevant persons”. “We don’t need to speak to you” The concern shown is assumed as anti social services and against their omnipotent way of thinking and used to ignore grandparents altogether.

This very strong message of irrelevance transmits to the general public and the courts and the professionals, encouraging them into alienating grandparents from their own families.

This can be reversed by making the ‘Charter for Grandchildren’ mandatory for professionals only and will send out a new message, that will not step on the toes of anyone, that grandparents are important in children’s lives and encourage people to resolve their own problems rather than turning so easily to the courts.

This problem does not usually arise in families who put the 'Best Interests of the Children' first and act like sensible caring adults. But when the authorities lead as they do, people are quick to take the easier way out rather than at the first sign of problems not bothering to seek assistance by contacting groups like ours or mediation to prevent a molehill becoming a mountain. Most family problems can be resolved in the early stages by getting round a table and being honest.

There is not much point in hammering away at a fantasy for years like some other groups
It is the welfare of our children that encourages us to think again at the problem and to look at the situation practically taking into account the opposition that are against grandparents having rights. There must be compromise.

We need to get parents social services and the governments thinking differently about us. Present ourselves to them that we are not a threat but could be the savour of children’s sanity. We can give you tried and tested guidelines that have worked for hundreds of grandparents on how to be a grandparent. “We know you have brought up a family already but being a grandparent is a new experience. The children are not yours and you need to work with the parents, not your way, but their way”.

Our first and main concern is that our grandchildren are safe and well and not in danger as millions are with drug and alcohol abuse etc (The Forgotten Children) and in a multitude of cases children need someone who is close to them to keep them safe and capable of early detection of abuse and to care for them If their parents are unable to.

Who is better than their own grandparents to care for them with security love and comfort? rather than strangers where children lose their identity, self worth, become resentful and aggressive and low achievers and seek that family security in gangs becoming the thugs of the future..

Jimmy Deuchars
Grandparents Apart UK
22 Alness crescent
Glasgow G52 1PJ
0141 882 5658

BBCHeather Stott Show Manchester.

Hello Jimmy,
Further to our conversation we are hoping we can get a representative from Grandparents Apart UK on the Heather Stott show. BBC Manchester

Thanks Jimmy, I have confirmed with Dr Start and she will be on the Heather Stott Show on Monday at 12.10 (you can listen online or listen again on iplayer if you wish).

Thanks for your help,

Katie Hamilton
BBC Radio Manchester.

Thursday, July 2, 2009

Change Matters in the Republic of Ireland

I work for Change Matters here in the Republic of Ireland. We are helping parents and kids who feel they have to flee UK in order to get a fair hearing here. Anybody who has any info, letters, records etc of child drugging please send copies to me at Rosie Hughes, Putiaghan Upper, Belturbet, Republic of Ireland.

You can contact me at or phone 00353 871210480We have a case going through to the Eurpopean court of Human Rights and a recent success in the UK family courts. I know it's a lot to ask when people are still fighting for justice there and your papers WILL NOT be used without written consent.Our main aim at present is to get all the facts we can with an aim to take them to Strasbourg when we have sufficient evidence.

Rosie x